# Re: Can someone explain the powder coating process>>>>>

Posted by shannon hood (1991 maxima se) on June 27, 2002 at 20:04:16:

In Reply to: Can someone explain the powder coating process>>>>> posted by MIKE on June 27, 2002 at 18:28:51:

: First let me say "I'm no way trying to do this myself" even though some have already, with that said I'll continue. Recently I went to a local powder coating guy to check on pricing to do all my wheels. So I took one wheel with me so he can see what I'm refering to, again my wheels are AV3 similar to Monsoons. The wheel I showed him was conpletely sand blasted, lip, front and back. I'm not too sure if the sand blasted wheel was a factor on the pricing but here goes.

: Me:I just started powder coating at my shop a few months ago, and $80 for a set is hard to believe.The least I can get away with is $40 a wheel.Be sure that he dosent get too much powder around the bead area or the tire wont seat properly in the groove and the tire will leak air.But if he can do it good deal for you.Powder coating consists of properly stripping all the paint and stuff off the surface,then you electrostaticly charge the peice.The positive charge of the part attracts the dry negatively charged powder, making it cling to the part.The part is then placed into an oven and "baked" at anywhere from 350-450 degrees F.The heat melts the powder into a liquid referred to as "flow out" after the powder flows the heat is reduced a few degrees and the new finish is allowed to harden and cure.Once cooled powder coating is one of the most durable finishes Ive ever known.Thats all it is though.Easy huh!
: Hello X, my name is Mike and a friend of mine told me you do power coating
: X:
: Yes I do, what would you like done
: Me:
: I have a wheel I'm interested in doing, I have it in my trunk
: X:
: Let's go take a look at it
: Me:
: Here it is, as you can see I completely sand blasted the entire wheel and I'll be repolishing the lip my self
: X:
: No problem I can do this, what color do you want
: Me:
: Gun metal metalic. I want the entire wheel coated front and back, minus the lip of course
: X:
: No problem, come back when you're ready and I'll take care of you

: At this point I'm thinking, "Here we go, he's trying to screw me or give me the run around.

: Me:
: Ok that's cool, but I need a price to see if you are witnin my buget
: X:
: How about $80

: At this point I'm thinking, "That's not too bad, $80 per wheel" So being the person I am, I had to ask

: Me:
: "How much for all four wheels"

: Hoping that he'll reduce his price to $70 per wheel

: X:
: No, $80 is for all four wheels
: Me:
: Trying to be cool, "That's no too bad, I'll be back when I'm ready"

:
: So here are a few questions for you guys. Being that I'm not aware of the powder coating process but it would seem to me that this would cost alot more.
: -Are there different kind of powder coating process?
: -Is this the average cost for this process?
: -Are there certain questions I can ask him about how he powder coats, or is there basically one way to poder coat?

: I also asked about clear coating the wheels, but he stated with this color clear coat not needed. So I said ok and left it at that, thinking I'll probably have it clear coated somewhere else. I called up a company about their clear coat spray and they asked is the clear coat for a painted surface or bare metal, because they recommend two differnent clear coat for bare metal and painted surface. So is this true or are they trying to get more money from me?

: Thanks for listening, MIKE

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- The Powder coating process (repost of Shannon's without the original msg all over the place) Bret (89SE) 21:25:14 6/27/2002 (0)

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: : First let me say "I'm no way trying to do this myself" even though some have already, with that said I'll continue. Recently I went to a local powder coating guy to check on pricing to do all my wheels. So I took one wheel with me so he can see what I'm refering to, again my wheels are AV3 similar to Monsoons. The wheel I showed him was conpletely sand blasted, lip, front and back. I'm not too sure if the sand blasted wheel was a factor on the pricing but here goes. : : Me:I just started powder coating at my shop a few months ago, and $80 for a set is hard to believe.The least I can get away with is $40 a wheel.Be sure that he dosent get too much powder around the bead area or the tire wont seat properly in the groove and the tire will leak air.But if he can do it good deal for you.Powder coating consists of properly stripping all the paint and stuff off the surface,then you electrostaticly charge the peice.The positive charge of the part attracts the dry negatively charged powder, making it cling to the part.The part is then placed into an oven and "baked" at anywhere from 350-450 degrees F.The heat melts the powder into a liquid referred to as "flow out" after the powder flows the heat is reduced a few degrees and the new finish is allowed to harden and cure.Once cooled powder coating is one of the most durable finishes Ive ever known.Thats all it is though.Easy huh! : : Hello X, my name is Mike and a friend of mine told me you do power coating : : X: : : Yes I do, what would you like done : : Me: : : I have a wheel I'm interested in doing, I have it in my trunk : : X: : : Let's go take a look at it : : Me: : : Here it is, as you can see I completely sand blasted the entire wheel and I'll be repolishing the lip my self : : X: : : No problem I can do this, what color do you want : : Me: : : Gun metal metalic. I want the entire wheel coated front and back, minus the lip of course : : X: : : No problem, come back when you're ready and I'll take care of you : : At this point I'm thinking, "Here we go, he's trying to screw me or give me the run around. : : Me: : : Ok that's cool, but I need a price to see if you are witnin my buget : : X: : : How about $80 : : At this point I'm thinking, "That's not too bad, $80 per wheel" So being the person I am, I had to ask : : Me: : : "How much for all four wheels" : : Hoping that he'll reduce his price to $70 per wheel : : X: : : No, $80 is for all four wheels : : Me: : : Trying to be cool, "That's no too bad, I'll be back when I'm ready" : : : : So here are a few questions for you guys. Being that I'm not aware of the powder coating process but it would seem to me that this would cost alot more. : : -Are there different kind of powder coating process? : : -Is this the average cost for this process? : : -Are there certain questions I can ask him about how he powder coats, or is there basically one way to poder coat? : : I also asked about clear coating the wheels, but he stated with this color clear coat not needed. So I said ok and left it at that, thinking I'll probably have it clear coated somewhere else. I called up a company about their clear coat spray and they asked is the clear coat for a painted surface or bare metal, because they recommend two differnent clear coat for bare metal and painted surface. So is this true or are they trying to get more money from me? : : Thanks for listening, MIKE