# I understand your frustration

Posted by MIKE (93VE) on July 15, 2003 at 21:53:28: In Reply to: F***ing piece of crap. I just pulled the #5 connector thing from the wire during another round at finding the right timing. --->>> posted by unsigned on July 15, 2003 at 19:20:10: Let's start from the beginning Senerio #1 checking your base valve timing 1)Remove all your timing belt covers so you can see the timing marks on the cam shaft pullies. 2)Turn the crank by hand untill the timing mark on the crank pulley is at TDC. 3)Once you have the crank pulley at TDC varify that the cam pullies (both of them) are lined up at their timing marks. 4)As I mentioned, since you replaced the timing belt if your base timing valve timing isn't correct or off by one or two teeth on the pullies you can have all sorts of problems. From hard starting to poor driveability. 5)If you're positively, 100%, without a doubt, sure that your base valve timing is correct we can move on from there. Senerio #2 checking your ignition timing (which is totally different than your base valve timing) 1)Plug your #1 plug and if you can get your finger in the plug hole do so. 2)Have someone keep bumping the starter untill you feel your finger being push out of the hole by the air being compressed in the cylinder. Of course disable the ignition by what ever means so it doesn't start. I know that's what your problem is, the engine not starting but let's be on the side of caution. 3)I suggest you have your helper bump the starter several times over and over again until you get use to the feel of the compression stroke 4)Once you feel your finger being push out the hole you're now on the compression stroke. At that point turn the crank by hand until the crank pulley is at TDC, which your 100% sure is correct since you're reading senerio #2 :) 5)Once you're at TDC this when you need to check the distributor location. 6)Remove the dist. cap and see where the rotor is pointing to. At this point if "all" your timing is correct (both base valve timing and ignition timing) your rotor should be dead on spark plug #1 of the dist cap. If it's not, remove and adjust your distributor location accordingly. 7)As I'm sure you're aware there's a technique in removing and re-adjusting the distributor due to the spiral gear on the distributor. Senerior #3 the oops factor If both senerio #1 and #2 were correct I hope you didn't forget to plug back in something that's now causing your engine not to start. "Oops why's that harness unpluged" Senerio #4 the disclaimer By no means can I be held responsible for your action taken to your car. Disregard everything I just said and bring it to the pros of use a service manual. My lawyer made me say that :) I hoped I've helped and if I'm wrong somewhere hopefully someone else will chime in to say so. Replys: yeah, been there done that. I'm looking into other reasons for no starty--->>> unsigned (92SE/89GXE) 22:17:52 7/15/2003 (1) I replied on the org. The last sentence in this thread sounds... awsm66 (93SE) 23:05:08 7/15/2003 (0)

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: Let's start from the beginning : Senerio #1 checking your base valve timing : 1)Remove all your timing belt covers so you can see the timing marks on the cam shaft pullies. : 2)Turn the crank by hand untill the timing mark on the crank pulley is at TDC. : 3)Once you have the crank pulley at TDC varify that the cam pullies (both of them) are lined up at their timing marks. : 4)As I mentioned, since you replaced the timing belt if your base timing valve timing isn't correct or off by one or two teeth on the pullies you can have all sorts of problems. From hard starting to poor driveability. : 5)If you're positively, 100%, without a doubt, sure that your base valve timing is correct we can move on from there. : : Senerio #2 checking your ignition timing (which is totally different than your base valve timing) : 1)Plug your #1 plug and if you can get your finger in the plug hole do so. : 2)Have someone keep bumping the starter untill you feel your finger being push out of the hole by the air being compressed in the cylinder. Of course disable the ignition by what ever means so it doesn't start. I know that's what your problem is, the engine not starting but let's be on the side of caution. : 3)I suggest you have your helper bump the starter several times over and over again until you get use to the feel of the compression stroke : 4)Once you feel your finger being push out the hole you're now on the compression stroke. At that point turn the crank by hand until the crank pulley is at TDC, which your 100% sure is correct since you're reading senerio #2 :) : 5)Once you're at TDC this when you need to check the distributor location. : 6)Remove the dist. cap and see where the rotor is pointing to. At this point if "all" your timing is correct (both base valve timing and ignition timing) your rotor should be dead on spark plug #1 of the dist cap. If it's not, remove and adjust your distributor location accordingly. : 7)As I'm sure you're aware there's a technique in removing and re-adjusting the distributor due to the spiral gear on the distributor. : Senerior #3 the oops factor : If both senerio #1 and #2 were correct I hope you didn't forget to plug back in something that's now causing your engine not to start. "Oops why's that harness unpluged" : : Senerio #4 the disclaimer : By no means can I be held responsible for your action taken to your car. Disregard everything I just said and bring it to the pros of use a service : manual. My lawyer made me say that :) I hoped I've helped and if I'm wrong somewhere hopefully someone else will chime in to say so.