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Posted by Caleb (VE5) on September 13, 2004 at 15:27:11: It's dead in here and you might get a few laughs out of this. One of my friends wrote this. Enjoy! (and sorry for the big OT post) The Definative Rating System FAQ - What is the definitive rating system? The definitive rating system, hereto referred to as the DRS, was an idea born out of a deep philosophical discussion that was held in Iowa City in the summer of ’03. The purpose of the discussion was to ascertain a way to create a regulated and standardized scale by which women could be ranked based upon their attractiveness. - Why is the DRS needed? Well that is simple. Any male discussion that contains any mention of a woman ultimately illicts the age old question, is she hot. Often, barring an intimate familiarity between two men about each other’s personal likes and dislikes in women, it is extremely difficult to answer how attractive or unattractive a women is, even when arbitrary ranking systems are applied. The DRS strives to fix that. - Is it possible to objectively rank women based on looks? Well, yes and no. While I will readily concede that there is merit in the idea that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and thus any discussion of the attractiveness of women is subjective, this ranking system seeks to fulfill two goals. First, it seeks to lay down a basic framework for ranking. Certainly two men will not always rank every woman the same using this system, but it provides an outline that they can use to consistently achieve similar scores, there by giving each other accurate pictures of women they are discussing. Secondly, it seeks to check the rampant misuse of normal numbering systems. Far too often men have no concept of what a 10 ranking verses an 8 verses a 2 really means, and this leads to further confusion. - Isn’t kind of sexist/wrong to “rank” women? If you are asking this question, clearly you aren’t suppose to be reading this. Stop checking your boyfriends e-mail, and relax. Your guy friends might not admit it, but they have all ranked you, I’m just striving to make sure they rank you accurately. Rules These rankings discount personality totally. Cool chicks are more attractive, and bitches are less attractive, agreed. This scale assumes your ability to separate personality from looks. Personality is key, no doubt, but this scale is not about personality and thus its irrelevant. Never, ever, under any circumstance, tell a woman what you would rank her. Its never pretty. Never rank a friend’s girlfriend/wife. Again, no good can come of it. Its best to not score a girl you are involved with to other guys. By virtue of your intimate relationship, you should be unable to help yourself from bumping her up. You are too close to the subject, so to speak. And that’s cool. I would hope every guy would rank his wife or serious girlfriend as a 9 or 10, although that’s not actually possible (as you’ll see below). I know whenever I’ve fallen for a girl, her score honestly goes up and I can’t separate her real score from how I perceive her. That’s actually a good thing, so bear that in mind when using the scale. This list is subject to changing/amendment. It’s a work in progress The Definative Ranking System 1 Painful to look at 2 Embarrassing to look at 3 Ugly 4 Unattractive 5 Average 6 Attractive at times 7 Bar Hot 8 Hot w/ effort 9 Always Hot 10 Mythical 1) Painful to look at – Just as it says. This is a women who actually causes you pain and distress to look at. A prime example would be a women I use to see in our downtown who had actually done so much coke she had totally dissolved the septum of her nose. It was gross. Usually someone in this category has self-inflicted problems that probably are going cause you to grab your junk the first time you see her. 2) Embarrassing to look at – This is a woman who has problems beyond her control. However, they are so bad and repulsive that you actually are embarrassed to look at her b/c you think she knows you are repulsed by her. I went through a Taco Bell and the drive-thru lady had almost a full beard. I felt really bad for her b/c it was beyond her control, but I also didn’t want to look at her b/c I knew she knew I was staring at her beard. You feel shame for noticing how ugly she is. 3) Ugly – “U G L Y, she ain’t got no alibi” Call it mean, call it heartless, but this woman is flat out ugly. Not only is she totally and complete out-of-shape (read: orca-fat) this woman has also been cursed with an incredible ugly face. She’s big and ugly, and that’s no way to go through life. Basically, a three is going to be about as ugly as you can be without something extraordinarily wrong (see 1 and 2) 4) Unattractive - A women receiving a four has one truly bad feature. Perhaps she weights in at 200+ or she’s really got an unattractive face. One or the other is really, really bad. Her other feature (body or face) is average. Its not cute or really good for that matter, but its ordinary. 5) Average - An average women is totally forgettable. She is plain. To score a five, she isn’t going to have any huge deficits, such as being real fat or strikingly ugly, but she’s going to be either too skinny or too big. Her face is going to be completely unremarkable. You pass a hundred women like this a week and you never remember them. Welcome to average. 6) Attractive at times – six through eight are somewhat tough to separate, but they are crucial b/c these are where women you are mostly concerned about discussing (looks-wise) are going to fall generally. One must master these ranges to be able to use this scale. Six is tricky. How is someone attractive at times? A six is overall decent looking, but something is holding her back. Either her body or her face is really lacking, and at times that becomes painfully obvious. Her opposite feature is certainly better than average, and at times, when this is highlighted, she looks good. Generally, this will be a chick with a nice body but a poor face. With the right hair style and outfit, you think, “whoa, she’s actually not bad” Then the lighting gets better and you remember why she’s in the sixes. Not a bad score, but probably not someone you are going to want to date. 7) Bar Hot – Seven is starting to get into the range of a great score. What is bar hot? It’s a women’s ability to look really good with a lot of preparation, and usually by highlighting the good and concealing the bad. We’ve all drooled over the super-hotty in the bar Saturday night, only to be given a shot of reality at church on Sunday morning. This is the essence of a seven. A seven has a fantastic body or face. It is quality. However, the other is decent. Its certainly not lacking like a six, but its really not that good. Effort and emphasis on the good paints a great picture, but a lack of effort exposes the flaw. This girl would garner two scores of great varience from you and your buddy if you each only ever saw her in one setting – you seeing her going out, and him seeing her at the breakfast on a Saturday. A seven could also have two good features as well. So not a top notch body or face, but both features are good. Nothing great, but good all around. 8) Hot w/ effort. First off, eight is a great score. No guy should be embarrassed to date a girl he really scores as an eight. Everyone has a tendency to score the chicks they like or have a relationship with in the nine’s and ten’s. As you’ll see, I think those scores are greatly exaggerated. Eight is a fantastic score, and it should be treated with reverence. Eights have a good body or face, and the other feature is great. Usually an eight will have one outstanding feature, and one thing (not a whole feature) that is slightly lacking – but its made more obvious by the greatness of the rest of her. For example, I used to have a girl come into the Wellness Rec Center where I worked, and she was a perfect example of an eight. She had what can only be described as a “million dollar face.” It was great, one of the best I’ve ever seen. Her body was also excellent. Great waist, great legs, and well proportioned rack, but she had a big ass. It wasn’t gigantic, but it was defiantly out of whack with the rest of her. It was a noticible distraction – mostly because the rest of her was almost perfect. That made her an eight. Perfection is tough to nail – and that’s why I’m hyped on eights. 9) Always hot - This women is amazing. Great body, Great face. To be a nine I think you’ve got to look at the women, and honestly think that there is nothing you would change. Nothing. You really couldn’t change anything to make her look better. That’s why I believe most guys inflate a girl’s score. If you can think of something you’d change on a girl, she’s not a nine. She’s an eight, which is still pretty awesome. A nine though, that’s nearing perfection. This chick always looks hot. Going out, Waking up, with a sweatshirt on, with a swimsuit on, being serious or being goofy, she never looks anything but hot. That’s a true nine. 10) Mythical – I truly mean mythical. The question most people would ask is, if nine is “nearing perfection” what does that leave left for ten? Well, it leaves perfection. Ten is perfect. Ten is the living embodiment of absolute beauty for a guy. Its Perfection in form of woman. Consequently, to score a women a Ten, three iron rules must be followed 1) 10’s are totally subjective. In order for a girl to be a 10, she must be perfect, that perfection only occurs on a personal level. One man’s 10 is another man’s nine. It is not expected that guys will be able to agree on 10’s. To be a 10, a girl has to have something special that clicks with you as an individual, so its not expected that guys can agree on 10’s. You just have to accept someone’s word when they rank a 10. However, this leads us to the other two rules for making sure that your subjectivity doesn’t get carried away when scoring 10’s. 2) To score a girl a 10, you must not know her. 10 is the living embodiment of perfection. No girl, no matter how cool, is perfect, and as soon as you get to know her, you realize this. When you don’t know her, you can imagine her as the perfect way you want to. If you know a chick, she cannot be a 10 to you. Period, no if, ands, or buts. 3) You should never see more than five 10’s in your life. If you think you’ve seen more than five 10’s in your life, you are too liberal with your ten ranking. I can think of two 10’s I’ve seen in my lifetime. I’m seen lots of amazingly beautiful women who were out of my league, but only two have been actual 10’s. Decimal points – varience within the numbers. Obviously, not all sixes are the same, nor are all eights. That’s where the point somethings come into play. The decimal points are mostly used to account for comparison between two girls you know and as a way to differentiate based on personal preferences. Using this system, you and your buddies should be able to fit girls into the same broad categories (1-10) but the decimal points is where you will separate your opinions on individual girls – usually based on personal preferences. Take Lyndsey Lohan for example. Lets say we agree she belongs as an eight ranking (for arguments sake). I would rank her as a low eight (8.1) because I really don’t like red hear and freckles, while my buddy who loves red hair would probably score her high in the category (8.9) You can split the decimals up into three parts [ x.0-x.3, x.4-x.6, and x.7-x.9] x.0 – x.3 – this decimal range denotes someone barely making the category. Probably the person fits the category, but your personal likes/dislikes force you to put her low x.4 – x.6 - This is a perfect fit in the category. She is a great example of whatever number you ranked her. So a girl who you feel is truly representative of the six category, should be ranked a 6.5 x.7 – x.9 - Your preference pulls her up. Perhaps she has a truly great feature that you have a particular weakness for. For example, for me a 6.8 might be a girl with a really good body, but a bad face. However, she has awesome straight black hair and a great waist – weakness of mine. I really see no difference between a 6.1 and a 6.3. The only use for the further varience, other than the three categories cited above, is to rank specific girls. For example, if we are at a bar talking about girl A and girl B. I may consider them to both be mid-level seven’s. However, I would say girl A is a 7.4 and girl B is a 7.5. This is simple to denote that I believe girl B to hold an attractivness advantage (however slight) over girl A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ So there it is. You can now use this to confidently and accurately relay the atttractivness of women to your buddies. Happy scoring. Yes, I’m probably going to hell. Replys: I would like to re-post this with permission and a source link on my website's forum, is that ok? n/m Kaleb (Black '93 GXE 5spd) 06:57:10 9/14/2004 (1) Thank You for asking permission.... Caleb (VE5) 21:13:28 9/14/2004 (0)

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: It's dead in here and you might get a few laughs out of this. One of my friends wrote this. Enjoy! (and sorry for the big OT post) : The Definative Rating System : FAQ : - What is the definitive rating system? The definitive rating system, hereto referred to as the DRS, was an idea born out of a deep philosophical discussion that was held in Iowa City in the summer of ’03. The purpose of the discussion was to ascertain a way to create a regulated and standardized scale by which women could be ranked based upon their attractiveness. : - Why is the DRS needed? Well that is simple. Any male discussion that contains any mention of a woman ultimately illicts the age old question, is she hot. Often, barring an intimate familiarity between two men about each other’s personal likes and dislikes in women, it is extremely difficult to answer how attractive or unattractive a women is, even when arbitrary ranking systems are applied. The DRS strives to fix that. : - Is it possible to objectively rank women based on looks? Well, yes and no. While I will readily concede that there is merit in the idea that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and thus any discussion of the attractiveness of women is subjective, this ranking system seeks to fulfill two goals. First, it seeks to lay down a basic framework for ranking. Certainly two men will not always rank every woman the same using this system, but it provides an outline that they can use to consistently achieve similar scores, there by giving each other accurate pictures of women they are discussing. Secondly, it seeks to check the rampant misuse of normal numbering systems. Far too often men have no concept of what a 10 ranking verses an 8 verses a 2 really means, and this leads to further confusion. : - Isn’t kind of sexist/wrong to “rank” women? If you are asking this question, clearly you aren’t suppose to be reading this. Stop checking your boyfriends e-mail, and relax. Your guy friends might not admit it, but they have all ranked you, I’m just striving to make sure they rank you accurately. : Rules : These rankings discount personality totally. Cool chicks are more attractive, and bitches are less attractive, agreed. This scale assumes your ability to separate personality from looks. Personality is key, no doubt, but this scale is not about personality and thus its irrelevant. : Never, ever, under any circumstance, tell a woman what you would rank her. Its never pretty. : Never rank a friend’s girlfriend/wife. Again, no good can come of it. : : Its best to not score a girl you are involved with to other guys. By virtue of your intimate relationship, you should be unable to help yourself from bumping her up. You are too close to the subject, so to speak. And that’s cool. I would hope every guy would rank his wife or serious girlfriend as a 9 or 10, although that’s not actually possible (as you’ll see below). I know whenever I’ve fallen for a girl, her score honestly goes up and I can’t separate her real score from how I perceive her. That’s actually a good thing, so bear that in mind when using the scale. : This list is subject to changing/amendment. It’s a work in progress : The Definative Ranking System : 1 Painful to look at : 2 Embarrassing to look at : 3 Ugly : 4 Unattractive : 5 Average : 6 Attractive at times : 7 Bar Hot : 8 Hot w/ effort : 9 Always Hot : 10 Mythical : : 1) Painful to look at – Just as it says. This is a women who actually causes you pain and distress to look at. A prime example would be a women I use to see in our downtown who had actually done so much coke she had totally dissolved the septum of her nose. It was gross. Usually someone in this category has self-inflicted problems that probably are going cause you to grab your junk the first time you see her. : 2) Embarrassing to look at – This is a woman who has problems beyond her control. However, they are so bad and repulsive that you actually are embarrassed to look at her b/c you think she knows you are repulsed by her. I went through a Taco Bell and the drive-thru lady had almost a full beard. I felt really bad for her b/c it was beyond her control, but I also didn’t want to look at her b/c I knew she knew I was staring at her beard. You feel shame for noticing how ugly she is. : 3) Ugly – “U G L Y, she ain’t got no alibi” Call it mean, call it heartless, but this woman is flat out ugly. Not only is she totally and complete out-of-shape (read: orca-fat) this woman has also been cursed with an incredible ugly face. She’s big and ugly, and that’s no way to go through life. Basically, a three is going to be about as ugly as you can be without something extraordinarily wrong (see 1 and 2) : 4) Unattractive - A women receiving a four has one truly bad feature. Perhaps she weights in at 200+ or she’s really got an unattractive face. One or the other is really, really bad. Her other feature (body or face) is average. Its not cute or really good for that matter, but its ordinary. : 5) Average - An average women is totally forgettable. She is plain. To score a five, she isn’t going to have any huge deficits, such as being real fat or strikingly ugly, but she’s going to be either too skinny or too big. Her face is going to be completely unremarkable. You pass a hundred women like this a week and you never remember them. Welcome to average. : 6) Attractive at times – six through eight are somewhat tough to separate, but they are crucial b/c these are where women you are mostly concerned about discussing (looks-wise) are going to fall generally. One must master these ranges to be able to use this scale. Six is tricky. How is someone attractive at times? A six is overall decent looking, but something is holding her back. Either her body or her face is really lacking, and at times that becomes painfully obvious. Her opposite feature is certainly better than average, and at times, when this is highlighted, she looks good. Generally, this will be a chick with a nice body but a poor face. With the right hair style and outfit, you think, “whoa, she’s actually not bad” Then the lighting gets better and you remember why she’s in the sixes. Not a bad score, but probably not someone you are going to want to date. : 7) Bar Hot – Seven is starting to get into the range of a great score. What is bar hot? It’s a women’s ability to look really good with a lot of preparation, and usually by highlighting the good and concealing the bad. We’ve all drooled over the super-hotty in the bar Saturday night, only to be given a shot of reality at church on Sunday morning. This is the essence of a seven. A seven has a fantastic body or face. It is quality. However, the other is decent. Its certainly not lacking like a six, but its really not that good. Effort and emphasis on the good paints a great picture, but a lack of effort exposes the flaw. This girl would garner two scores of great varience from you and your buddy if you each only ever saw her in one setting – you seeing her going out, and him seeing her at the breakfast on a Saturday. A seven could also have two good features as well. So not a top notch body or face, but both features are good. Nothing great, but good all around. : 8) Hot w/ effort. First off, eight is a great score. No guy should be embarrassed to date a girl he really scores as an eight. Everyone has a tendency to score the chicks they like or have a relationship with in the nine’s and ten’s. As you’ll see, I think those scores are greatly exaggerated. Eight is a fantastic score, and it should be treated with reverence. Eights have a good body or face, and the other feature is great. Usually an eight will have one outstanding feature, and one thing (not a whole feature) that is slightly lacking – but its made more obvious by the greatness of the rest of her. For example, I used to have a girl come into the Wellness Rec Center where I worked, and she was a perfect example of an eight. She had what can only be described as a “million dollar face.” It was great, one of the best I’ve ever seen. Her body was also excellent. Great waist, great legs, and well proportioned rack, but she had a big ass. It wasn’t gigantic, but it was defiantly out of whack with the rest of her. It was a noticible distraction – mostly because the rest of her was almost perfect. That made her an eight. Perfection is tough to nail – and that’s why I’m hyped on eights. : 9) Always hot - This women is amazing. Great body, Great face. To be a nine I think you’ve got to look at the women, and honestly think that there is nothing you would change. Nothing. You really couldn’t change anything to make her look better. That’s why I believe most guys inflate a girl’s score. If you can think of something you’d change on a girl, she’s not a nine. She’s an eight, which is still pretty awesome. A nine though, that’s nearing perfection. This chick always looks hot. Going out, Waking up, with a sweatshirt on, with a swimsuit on, being serious or being goofy, she never looks anything but hot. That’s a true nine. : 10) Mythical – I truly mean mythical. The question most people would ask is, if nine is “nearing perfection” what does that leave left for ten? Well, it leaves perfection. Ten is perfect. Ten is the living embodiment of absolute beauty for a guy. Its Perfection in form of woman. Consequently, to score a women a Ten, three iron rules must be followed : 1) 10’s are totally subjective. In order for a girl to be a 10, she must be perfect, that perfection only occurs on a personal level. One man’s 10 is another man’s nine. It is not expected that guys will be able to agree on 10’s. To be a 10, a girl has to have something special that clicks with you as an individual, so its not expected that guys can agree on 10’s. You just have to accept someone’s word when they rank a 10. However, this leads us to the other two rules for making sure that your subjectivity doesn’t get carried away when scoring 10’s. : 2) To score a girl a 10, you must not know her. 10 is the living embodiment of perfection. No girl, no matter how cool, is perfect, and as soon as you get to know her, you realize this. When you don’t know her, you can imagine her as the perfect way you want to. If you know a chick, she cannot be a 10 to you. Period, no if, ands, or buts. : 3) You should never see more than five 10’s in your life. If you think you’ve seen more than five 10’s in your life, you are too liberal with your ten ranking. I can think of two 10’s I’ve seen in my lifetime. I’m seen lots of amazingly beautiful women who were out of my league, but only two have been actual 10’s. : Decimal points – varience within the numbers. Obviously, not all sixes are the same, nor are all eights. That’s where the point somethings come into play. The decimal points are mostly used to account for comparison between two girls you know and as a way to differentiate based on personal preferences. Using this system, you and your buddies should be able to fit girls into the same broad categories (1-10) but the decimal points is where you will separate your opinions on individual girls – usually based on personal preferences. Take Lyndsey Lohan for example. Lets say we agree she belongs as an eight ranking (for arguments sake). I would rank her as a low eight (8.1) because I really don’t like red hear and freckles, while my buddy who loves red hair would probably score her high in the category (8.9) You can split the decimals up into three parts [ x.0-x.3, x.4-x.6, and x.7-x.9] : x.0 – x.3 – this decimal range denotes someone barely making the category. Probably the person fits the category, but your personal likes/dislikes force you to put her low : x.4 – x.6 - This is a perfect fit in the category. She is a great example of whatever number you ranked her. So a girl who you feel is truly representative of the six category, should be ranked a 6.5 : x.7 – x.9 - Your preference pulls her up. Perhaps she has a truly great feature that you have a particular weakness for. For example, for me a 6.8 might be a girl with a really good body, but a bad face. However, she has awesome straight black hair and a great waist – weakness of mine. : I really see no difference between a 6.1 and a 6.3. The only use for the further varience, other than the three categories cited above, is to rank specific girls. For example, if we are at a bar talking about girl A and girl B. I may consider them to both be mid-level seven’s. However, I would say girl A is a 7.4 and girl B is a 7.5. This is simple to denote that I believe girl B to hold an attractivness advantage (however slight) over girl A. : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ : : So there it is. You can now use this to confidently and accurately relay the atttractivness of women to your buddies. Happy scoring. : Yes, I’m probably going to hell.